So I, like the proper Lokean that I am(can one be a "Proper" Lokean? Is that an oxymoronlol) made a hyperbolic comment on a friends facebook feed. His wifes car had trouble starting the night before, and the morning it started fine. Led to lots of speculations, one of which it could be the car. Welp, that led to my inner sarcastic person to pipe up with, it could be voodoo, best to sage and holy water the car just in case, jk.
He messaged me(I have permission to talk about this but I'm redacting names and summarising for privacy, he isn't on this board, but I will give him the link, if he or those associated wants to pipe up) going do I know how true to life my comment might be? I was like, yes, I do know of spells that can hurt the car, and in Hoodoo spirits can hurt it, but if it was bad ju ju it would not start the morning after. He is a ghost hunter, one of the more skeptical variety. He's been on 20 cases, and hasn't been able to confirm a case. One case, that others had thought were hauntings, turned out to be a family of racoons under the house.
Anyway... To get to the pointish.
This led to a conversation that ghost hunters have to be careful when they leave as a just in case. Their team works with a lay demonologist, that is well respected. They use Christian targeted prayers to get the stuck soul to where it needs to go. Maybe an angry dead atheist, or some of the Native Americans that have had bad dealings with Christians?
That led me to wonder, what if the soul isn't Christian? What other systems would work? Have any of you had experience with this? What would you do and why?
I personally have had no experiences with ghosts or possession or exorcism. I can share one fictional anecdote, however.
Is anyone here familiar with the works of Elizabeth Peters/Barbara Michaels/Barbara Mertz? In her paranormal novel "Ammie, Come Home," a seance in a Washington DC home awakens two spirits, one tortured, the other malevolent. The residents of the house try a Catholic exorcism rite -- only to discover *after it does not work* that the malevolent spirit was a right proper *Lutheran* in life.
So .... just a hunch, but I would say that it depends on the spirit. Some may work with a system outside their original belief system, but others may not.
Post by spookymuffin on Nov 13, 2013 13:41:13 GMT -8
I've dealt with occasional "ghost-busting" jobs. There was sometimes a legitimate entity hanging around but I don't think even once did it turn out to be a human revenant. The handful of human spirits I've encountered weren't bothering anyone so I didn't feel the need to take action. I don't think that the spirit's beliefs when they were alive have a whole lot of impact on what they think and feel once they die (if that were the case I'd expect churches and holy places to be filled with ghosts but I've never noticed anything like that). Thus I think it's reasonable to use whatever system the practitioner is most comfortable with since they're the ones who are working to accomplish something. It might be different if one could discern for certain what the ghost's theological inclinations were - but then there'd be the challenge of, for instance, coming up with an atheist ritual to send a spirit to an afterlife/stage of being that it didn't believe in in the first place.
A good safeguard might be to ask the assistance of a death deity or afterlife guide. They can see solutions to these kinds of situations that I expect we typically can't.
I have a suspicion that the terms you couch your faith and willpower in don't matter as much as the fact that you HAVE faith and willpower. I don't doubt that a practitioner of Vodou can affect me just fine, even though I don't identify myself as a practitioner of their path. What matters is that a foreign willpower is contesting against my own, and a deity that I may know by one name by the practitioner knows by another is attempting to force a change.