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Post by Lomaz on Jan 13, 2014 8:44:21 GMT -8
I was hoping to get some suggestions from the community on how I can go about establishing cultus for a regional tutelary deity.
A bit of background: I spent a good part of last year contemplating and defining my sacred landscape. I've been focused for some time on geographically focusing my heathen practice. The final result of this was to define my gawi (gau or shire) by watershed, with my gawi being the upper part of the watershed for the Winooski river, which I have come to know as the Laukrinaz (Winooski being a corruption of the Abanaki word for "[river] at the place of the wild leeks" and Laukrinaz being Proto-Germanic for "Leek-Rhine"). The river itself has a strong and ancient spirit which I venerate with offerings, typically performed in the city of Montpelier (which I also hold sacred) at or near the confluence of several tributaries. I am happy with venerating the river as such.
My question, then, is how to establish cultus for the spirit of the gawi, as distinct form the river proper. The gawi is a somewhat artificial entity defined by humans (i.e. me) using mostly natural criteria. I've thought of a few approaches I could take, but they operate from apparently conflicting assumptions. I would deeply appreciate some input from others on this matter.
Possible Approaches
1) Craft a name and symbolic image for this deity and begin to perform devotions. This approach assumes that using icons and a magically potent name with allow for an existing spirit to "step into" and inhabit the role and assume the attributes of the deity. I base this on the manner in which I have observed synchretism to occur. For instance the way many deities have come to inhabit Catholic saints. A second possible assumption behind this approach might be that a "new" deity is formed in the way that Columbia or Lady Liberty (who are great examples of the kind of tutelary deities I'm interested in) appear to me to have moved from symbolic representations to genuine deity.
2) Consume a shitton of psychedelics and set out on a psychic quest to find the deity I'm looking for. This assumes, of course, that such a being already exists and I just have to find it and begin communication. I would, of course do this under the guidance of Frijjo Birkijoniz, who oversees and instructs me in siduz (my heathen custom).
Tools at my Disposal
1) A knack for a kind of automatic drawing, especially of faces. I've found that I can often "find" the face of spirits. 2) Some facility with the crafting of magically potent names, based on runic formulas and poetic symbolism. 3) Runic divination. 4) Psychedelic substances, and no small degree of comfort and experience with their use. 5) My intuition and imagination.
What I Have so Far
1) Knowlege of the territory in question. 2) A vague mental image of a (male?) youth. 3) A set of symbolic/iconic images (leeks, perhaps nettles, and a runiform glyph describing the gawi)
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 13, 2014 9:35:56 GMT -8
![]()  Here's an example of a sketch of my mental image using the psychic drawing technique I was talking about. This is pretty consitant with other attempts I've made for the same entity, although this one is less androgynous. I also included the runiform glyph I mentioned. this drawing is a bit less detailed and more cartooney than others I've done.
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 13, 2014 9:45:38 GMT -8
And obviously this is in the wrong place... sorry book club folks for the iappropriate placement. I've messaged Admin, so hopefully the thread can be moved.
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Post by aclockworkireland on Jan 13, 2014 11:14:54 GMT -8
Possible Approaches1) Craft a name and symbolic image for this deity and begin to perform devotions. This approach assumes that using icons and a magically potent name with allow for an existing spirit to "step into" and inhabit the role and assume the attributes of the deity. I base this on the manner in which I have observed synchretism to occur. For instance the way many deities have come to inhabit Catholic saints. A second possible assumption behind this approach might be that a "new" deity is formed in the way that Columbia or Lady Liberty (who are great examples of the kind of tutelary deities I'm interested in) appear to me to have moved from symbolic representations to genuine deity. 2) Consume a shitton of psychedelics and set out on a psychic quest to find the deity I'm looking for. This assumes, of course, that such a being already exists and I just have to find it and begin communication. I would, of course do this under the guidance of Frijjo Birkijoniz, who oversees and instructs me in siduz (my heathen custom). Tools at my Disposal1) A knack for a kind of automatic drawing, especially of faces. I've found that I can often "find" the face of spirits. 2) Some facility with the crafting of magically potent names, based on runic formulas and poetic symbolism. 3) Runic divination. 4) Psychedelic substances, and no small degree of comfort and experience with their use. 5) My intuition and imagination. What I Have so Far1) Knowlege of the territory in question. 2) A vague mental image of a (male?) youth. 3) A set of symbolic/iconic images (leeks, perhaps nettles, and a runiform glyph describing the gawi) Id suggest looking into the local folklore about the place instead of relying on new age stuff. I know indians arent happy that youd want a spiritual link with the land they belong to because of the history of the country but you just have to suck it up. If you behave as if they dont exist youre continuing the negativity of colonialism. Except when before your family took their physical land, now youre stealing their spiritual land. Thats as bad a crime imo. Folklore is a lot more productive anyway and less self destructive than eating a load of drugs. If you think putting names from a language you dont speak on to things changes the cultural context youre wrong.
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Post by Wynn Dark on Jan 13, 2014 12:38:41 GMT -8
I am of the mind that you aren't liable to create a being such as the one you are describing, so much as it'll already be there or perhaps an existing divinity would have to be brought into the area (ie the worship of the deity in question) to take up that role...that is, if the God/dess in question desires to take that role.
As for the psychic drawing method, I'd lean towards one of the more detailed drawings you spoke of unless there is something drawing (no pun intended) you hard towards the image that you have provided. I'm only vaguely familiar with the runes for divination (ie: I don't practice them, though I did dabble at one point...really ought to find that rune set I made) but would think that you should probably go to them rather heavily in this matter and see if you can make any connection to a spirit that is accepting of or fits into this role.
The last thing you want to do is stomp all over an existing spirit that fills this niche and is willing to have dealings with you. Note, I'm not saying that you go and actively search for a native spirit and then act like it fills a role that it doesn't...in my experience it isn't just the human Native Americans that take umbrage with that sort of behavior, our spirits traveled to this land with us, new immigrants continue to arrive and then there are others that are born of this land that weren't necessarily here before the coming of the Europeans.
If psychedelics are used in a sacred manner, I see no trouble (aside from possible legal ones, depending on the psychedelic) at all with using them (responsibly) in your quest but I don't have the experiences there to make any real suggestions there.
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 13, 2014 14:41:21 GMT -8
clockwork: Thanks for the feedback. I have indeed looked into local folklore. unfortunatly its a bit sparse in terms of the information I would need. And by "sparse" i mean that there is no available information whatsoever.
I do have a fairly good relationship with some Abanaki people, having spent time in ceremony with them and having recieved some traditional teachings. For the most part I have gotten a positive response to my spiritual outlook. The elder that I have spent the most time with has spontaneously brought up connections between Abanaki and Germanic custom on more than one occasion. Abanaki people, in my experience, are pretty comfortable sharing teachings and ceremonies which relate to Gizi Manitou (literally translates close to "Great God/Spirit"), but are understandably cadgy about passing out information about other manitous.
Not sure which element you felt was New Age. the psychdelics or the psychic drawing?
Finally, with all due respect, putting Proto-Germanic names to things and concepts, in my experience, absolutely changes the context. My use of PGmc teminology is going to be the subject of a future blog post once I get through this post on folkishness that has been growing into one enormous pain in my ass. I'll make sure to put the link up here once its done.
Wynn: Thank you. You make several good points,all of which I have been considering as i go throught this process. I don't think there is a danger of me jamming an existing local spirit into the mold without is permission. I am aware of several major manitous in the region, mostly connected with mountains. To the extent that I venerate them, I think it is best to just venerate them as mountains without knowing names and similar information unless they specifically decide to share such with me. This has been my approach to my veneration of the river as well. My question comes from the fact that the gawi is an abstract and, to a certain degree artificial concept. It is based on natural boundaries, but it is a space that I have constructed after a fashion. I would be curious to know your take on the goddess Columbia sine that is the closest example to the type of deity I'm talking about.
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Post by aclockworkireland on Jan 13, 2014 17:22:22 GMT -8
Vermont Métis are writing books man, why cant you get access to their trads when youre local? They might be metis but theyve been there for centuries. www.goodreads.com/book/show/1317176.American_Mixed_RaceIve lived in different parts of north america, I never had trouble finding an indian. All I had to do was go to the toughest jobs, the roughest area or the cheapest market. There they were.
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Post by Wynn Dark on Jan 14, 2014 6:16:33 GMT -8
Lomaz I'm not entirely unfamilier with the sort of being that you are talking about, or Columbia for that matter, though I am woefully lacking in knowledge about her. Actually, I think I'll have to remedy that considering her classic roots and at least some of the values she embodies (I say some because she has plenty of darkness in her past from what I can tell, but most land goddesses do). aclockworkireland I won't presume to speak for Lomaz, perhaps that information will prove very useful to him, but what you are suggesting (it seems) is typically considered cultural appropriation, add on top of it a racial class which Lomaz may not be a part of and you get a recipe for ugly...besides, he doesn't seem to have trouble with finding natives that are willing to share what they are willing to share with non-natives on a face-to-face real relationship level.
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 14, 2014 8:29:57 GMT -8
clockwork: Thank you again for your feedback. I appreciate that you have taken the time to respond to my questions. The tenor of your responses, however, leads me to believe that you are perhaps not fully aware of the broader cultural context I operate in. I've never had trouble "finding and Indian". Abanaki people are part of my community. they are my friends, co-workers and neighbors. Some keep traditional custom, most are fully assimilated into Vermont culture. The Abanaki community is largely christian, historically Roman Catholic, and I literally cannot think of a better way to alienate the folks I know (friends, co-workers and neighbors, remember? This is a small state and we all know each other fairly well.) than to approach them and with the rough equivalent of "Speak to me of the Old Ways of your people so that I may render proper worship to the rivers and mountains." Pretty offensive stuff when you think about it, even without the history of colonialism between us. I would also like to address the impression I get from your responses that the best approach to my problem is to go to native folklore to enrich my spiritual practice. The fact is that is is explicitly what the Indian folks I know (Abanaki and those belonging to other nations) have repeatedly requested that white people cease and desist. I am very grateful for the teachings I've received from Indian elders, and I have absolutely no intention of trying to bully information out of them which they have made clear is a spiritual heritage reserved for their own people. The whole reason I am a heathen is the admonishment I received from an elder to look for the spiritual truths I was seeking among my own ancestors. I really don't mean to sound hash or confrontational, but I don't think you understand the context or consequences of what you are suggesting
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Post by Admin on Jan 14, 2014 17:36:13 GMT -8
Our of curiosity (and to take this in a slightly different and potentially more productive direction) I'd like to learn more about the concept of a gawi (in a spiritual sense).
At first glance, I'd have agreed with Wynn that you wouldn't necessarily be creating something. Then I think about Columbia (or more locally to me, Portlandia) and realize there's something to the idea that human defined construct can take on an non-human spirit in a kind of symbiotic relationship between the two.
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 15, 2014 6:21:03 GMT -8
So the gawi (or gau) is an ancient form of territorial organization used by migration era germanic tribes. The best translation of the concept is district or shire. To understand for the gawi as it applies to my religious experience, I need to give a bit of background on how I came to practice my form of heathenry.
When my wife and I began to discuss the religious upbringing of our children we came to the conclusion that they would be raised primarily in my tradition. For one thing, I am just more religiously inclined than she is, and for another her particular form of religious witchcraft is idiosyncratic to the point that it really only applies to her.
The problem I faced is that I was practicing a highly blended form of heathenry drawing from many sometimes conflicting streams. Having taken on the sacred responsibility of religious education, I felt the need to systematize m practice. I began to apply Proto-Germanic vocabulary where I had been using a cumbersome blend of Norse, Anglo-Saxon, Gothic, and Old High German. I chose PGmc as a way to weave these elements together since it is the root of all of them (and, being a reconstructed language you could also take the opposite view and say that it is built from all of them). Also, because the systematizing of my custom would, by necessity, be a creative and imaginative effort, PGmc would give me a good traditional framework on which to build my new personal and family culture while minimizing appropriation of vocabulary and concepts from living traditional Germanic cultures. Furthermore, PGmc is the language of the elder runic futhark, which is the basis of my magical/mystical practice and is therefore the most magically potent language for my purposes.
The priority throughout this process was to create a system which was magically potent, religously effective, and authentic to my lived experience.
It took me about a year to lay out the framework for my custom (which I refer to as siduz, meaning custom/tradition, as distinct from furni-siduz "ancient custom" which it is not). The next step I wanted to take was to root my custom in my own sacred geography, to contextualize it as a local tradition. This is how I came to the concept of the gawi.
As a religious concept, gawi is basically the geographic reflection of the heathen theme of "that which is within" (usually called innangarth) and "that which is without" (utangarth). The gawi represents the land which is the sacred context of a local tradition. This is my own development as far as I know. Historically, the gawi would have been a political and administrative unit within the territory of a tribe. It is my homeland, where I was raised and where I am raising my family. I looked at cultural context, political context and natural/geographic context and found that in my case all three aligned pretty well. My gawi corresponds roughly to the upper reaches of the Winooski river watershed, which happens to correspond very closely with the boundaries of Washington county.
I hope this helps to understand what I mean when I talk about my gawi, and also maybe answers the question of why I choose to apply PGmc to religious vocabulary.
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Post by Wynn Dark on Jan 15, 2014 6:29:03 GMT -8
I suppose the question then is, is it more useful to figure out what non-human spirit has taken on the mask of the construct or should we just interact with the mask knowing there is something greater behind it? Would it matter? How symbiotic is that relationship, does the mask shape the wearer or the wearer the mask? Sort of but not entirely off topic there...does anyone have intimate experience with these sorts of spirits, do we have any particulerly strong diviners or spirit workers that would consider taking up such questions...say with a being such as Columbia (perhaps being more accessable than others, if one is in America anyway, maybe?)
Lomaz, could a gawi Include a city or township, or more than one of the above, or does it consist entirely of more wild and/or agricultural areas within a watershed (or other boundry marker)?
Edit: I posted while Lomaz was posting apparently, thank you Lomaz for the explanation, the concept is quite interesting and sounds rather useful for grounding a tradition (your tradition in this case).
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Post by Lomaz on Jan 15, 2014 12:23:35 GMT -8
Does the mask shape the wearer or the wearer shape the mask? I think the answer has to be "yes". I went through this a bit when I was beginning my devotion to Frijjo Birkijoniz. I have a blog post about how I this relationship evolved here. Suffice it to say that the goddess was fully formed and fully herself already, but when I began to call her by the name by which I know her many elements fell into place, and others were revealed for the first time. Obviously I believe that the gods are real, distinct, individual persons, or I would not be here. I do, however, have many more questions than answers when it comes to the exact nature and identity of that personhood. I do think that our human imaginations have a role in the way the deities' personhood manifests in the world. The names we call them by, the symbols and icons we use for them do shape their expression, if not their nature. I don't think we can force them to be something they're not, or deny their divine agency, but part of our human power does seem to be our ability to use our imaginations and creative actions to provide them with new avenues of manifestation. This is especially true of our ability to craft names... perhaps the most powerful of all human magic.
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Post by caelesti on Jan 29, 2014 18:15:31 GMT -8
Funny I was just writing on this general subject for the Pagan Blog Project paganleft.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/bioregionalism/Not specifically about developing a local cult, but a general look at how to locally ground ones spiritual practice. I'm just in the beginning stages of it myself. I went and checked out your blog. Your ideas/experiences with the Birch Goddess are very interesting. Does the mask shape the wearer or the wearer shape the mask? I think the answer has to be "yes" I do think that our human imaginations have a role in the way the deities' personhood manifests in the world. The names we call them by, the symbols and icons we use for them do shape their expression, if not their nature. I don't think we can force them to be something they're not, or deny their divine agency, but part of our human power does seem to be our ability to use our imaginations and creative actions to provide them with new avenues of manifestation. This is especially true of our ability to craft names... perhaps the most powerful of all human magic. I agree with you on this. I think human beings and their cultures co-evolve with the gods. I think the gods appear in new guises sometimes in response to changes in human culture & environment and likewise shape those changes as well. And humans perceive them differently.
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Post by lyradora on Feb 8, 2014 19:44:25 GMT -8
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